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by Marielena Montesino de Stuart
The modernist Catholic Church hierarchy in free fall.
Francis meets with liberal Catholic organization.
Francis’s effervescence continues to go on the record.
… then came the apologies, the reaffirmations and the spin!
Francis reportedly said during a meeting on June 6 with CLAR’s Board (the Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosos y Religiosas / the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women) that there is a “gay lobby” in the Curia– but that he is “too disorganized” to deal with these “management issues“– leaving it up to the “commission” (a group of eight Cardinals). These statements appeared in Reflexión y Liberación [*] a liberal Catholic publication in Chile.
CLAR is a group inspired by Liberation Theology (a Marxist movement in the Catholic Church). It is not a surprise that Francis met with this group– not after you read about Francis’s association with Cardinal Cláudio Hummes from Brazil, as well as his record of “dialogue” in Buenos Aires.
The presence of homosexuals in the Curia or among the clergy is not a “management issue.” It is a grave MORAL issue– and a grave violation of the most sacred rules of the Roman Catholic Church!
According to the Reflexión y Liberación report, Francis also criticized people who have prayed thousands of Rosaries for him. (Yes, you read that right).
It is important to note that CLAR’s report has been widely covered by the media– and has not been challenged by Francis or other Vatican officials, as of the writing of this post.[*]
From the moment that Bergoglio became Francis, I began to alert my readers about the fact that his “dialogue” with socialism and support of modernism, would not cease.
The Catholic News Service (CNS) issued a report on April 24, 2012— which described CLAR’s Marxist tendencies:
EXCERPT: “In 1989, the Vatican decided to directly supervise the confederation’s “Word-Life” evangelization plan after it was criticized for its “reductionist” readings of the Scripture and for relying too heavily on Marxist analysis of social ills. Shortly thereafter, the Vatican took over the group’s leadership committee. ” [Bold added for emphasis].
“Two years later, the Vatican suspended CLAR’s procedures for electing leadership and appointed its own delegates to lead the confederation.”
Reflexión y Liberación reports that during the aforementioned meeting, Francis referred to the “corruption” in the Curia and the “gay lobby” as “management issues”– that he cannot deal with, because he is “too disorganized.” Read related article here.
Here is an excerpt of Francis’s comments, as they appeared in the Reflexión y Liberación report:[*]
[Translation from Spanish into English, courtesy of Marielena Montesino de Stuart].
“Se van a equivocar, van a meter la pata, ¡eso pasa! Quizá hasta les va a llegar una carta de la Congregación para la Doctrina (de la Fe) diciendo que dijeron tal o cual cosa… Pero no se preocupen. Expliquen lo que tengan que explicar, pero sigan adelante…”
“En la curia hay gente santa, de verdad, hay gente santa. Pero también hay una corriente de corrupción, también la hay, es verdad… Se habla del “lobby gay”, y es verdad, está ahí… hay que ver qué podemos hacer…”
“La reforma de la Curia romana es algo que pedimos casi todos los cardenales en las congregaciones previas al Cónclave. Yo también la pedí. La reforma no la puedo hacer yo, estos temas de gestión… Yo soy muy desorganizado, nunca he sido bueno en esto. Pero los cardenales de la comisión la van a llevar adelante. Ahí está Rodríguez Maradiaga, que es latinoamericano, que lleva la batuta, está Errázuriz, son muy ordenados. El de Munich también es muy ordenado. Ellos la llevarán adelante.”
“You are going to make mistakes, you are going to stick your foot in it, that happens! You may even receive a letter from the Congregation for the Doctrine (of the Faith) telling you that you said this, or the other… but don’t worry. Explain whatever you need to explain, but go forward…”
“There are holy people in the Curia, truly, there are holy people. But there is also a current of corruption, it is there, it’s true… the “gay lobby” is talked about, and it is true, it is there… we have to see what we can do…”
“The reform of the Roman Curia is something that almost all of us Cardinals asked for in the Congregations, prior to the Conclave. I also asked for it. I cannot do the reform, these management issues… I am too disorganized, I have never been good at these matters. But the Cardinals in the commission will carry it out. There you have Rodríguez Maradiaga, who is a Latin American, who is leading, and Errázuriz, they are very organized. The one from Munich is also very organized. They will go forward with it.”
“One of these groups…“ (Reflexión y Liberación reported this as one of Francis’s comments about groups that offer thousands of Rosaries for him).
“Hay ciertos grupos restauracionistas. Yo conozco algunos, me tocó recibirlos en Buenos Aires. ¡Y uno siente que es como volver 60 años atrás! Antes del Concilio… Uno se siente en 1940… Una anécdota, sólo para ilustrar, no es para reírse, yo la tomé con respeto, pero me preocupa; cuando me eligieron, recibí una carta de uno de estos grupos, y me decían; ‘Santidad, le ofrecemos este tesoro espiritual; 3.525 rosarios’.”
Por qué no dicen rezamos por usted, pedimos… pero esto de llevar las cuentas… Y estos grupos vuelven a prácticas y a disciplinas que yo viví –ustedes no, porque ninguno es viejo– a disciplinas, a cosas que en ese momento se vivían, pero no ahora, hoy ya no son…
There are certain restorationist groups. I know some of them, I had to meet with them in Buenos Aires. One feels like it is going back 60 years! Before the Council… [Vatican II]. One feels like it is 1940… Here is an anecdote, just to show you, it’s not a laughing matter, I accepted it with respect, but it worries me. When I was elected [to the papacy] I received a letter from one of these groups,[emphasis added] where they said: “Your Holiness, we are offering [praying] 3,525 Rosaries as a spiritual treasure.”
Why don’t they say, we are praying for you, we are asking… but this thing about keeping count… and these groups return to practices and disciplines that I lived through– not you, because none of you are old– disciplines, things that were current in those times, but not now, not anymore today…
The above report is not a surprise to me… but it may shock (as it should) many faithful Catholics, that are unaware of Francis’s background.
Based on Reflexión y Liberación‘s report, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith / CDF, is probably looking for another job. He might as well– since the CDF has not done much enforcing for decades, as we can see from examples such as St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church in New York City (here and here)– which Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan enthusiastically supports.
God help us.
The modernist Church is a train wreck that won’t get off the tracks of the disastrous Vatican II.
Parents must make critical decisions– now more than ever– to make certain that their children are properly formed as Roman Catholics, including the practice of praying the Rosary.
Attend the Latin Mass (the only true Mass) and keep counting those Rosary beads… thousands and thousands of times.
The following is a beautiful and ancient prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the oldest known version of which is found on an Egyptian papyrus from the 3rd century.
SUB tuum praesidium
SUB tuum praesidium confugimus, Sancta Dei Genetrix. Nostras deprecationes ne despicias in necessitatibus, sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper, Virgo gloriosa et benedicta. Amen.
WE fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God; despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen.
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[*] – … and now the apologies, the reaffirmations and the spin
The apology: CLAR issued an apology, dated June 11, for the “confusion” created by the publication of the text that appeared in Reflexión y Liberación. The apology is available in Spanish here.
The reaffirmation: On June 12, Reflexión y Liberación — published an editorial statement, with the endorsement of what appears to be its entire editorial board, defending (in no uncertain terms) the publication of the “synthesis” of the June 6 meeting, as provided to them. The Reflexión y Liberación editorial even went as far as to quote Matthew 10:27 to defend its publication of the contents of the meeting between CLAR and Francis: That which I tell you in the dark, speak ye in the light: and that which you hear in the ear, preach ye upon the housetops.
The spin: June 12 – The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, through its CNS news service, appears to be doing some damage control by spinning things in a different direction. PAY ATTENTION TO THE TITLE of the CNS report. Read related article here.
There is still no challenge from Francis nor from Vatican officials, regarding the statements published by Reflexión y Liberación.
MY REMARKS REGARDING THE “CONFUSION” mentioned by CLAR
Actually, there is NO CONFUSION. There is nothing inconsistent between the statements reported by Reflexión y Liberación regarding the June 6 meeting– when compared with Francis’s long record of “encounters.” In addition, Francis has a long history of feeling very comfortable in his “dialogue” with liberal groups– and since arriving in the Vatican he has been known for his spontaneity and effervescence, sadly, not in support of tradition.
The following is CLAR’s apology (followed by my translation into English):
“Bogotá, Colombia, 11 de junio de 2013”
“DECLARACIÓN DE LA PRESIDENCIA DE LA CLAR”
“La Presidencia de la CLAR lamenta profundamente la publicación de un texto que se refiere a la conversación tenida con el Santo Padre Francisco durante el encuentro del pasado 6 de junio. Conversación que se desarrolló a partir de las preguntas hechas al Papa por los presentes.”
“En tal ocasión no se hizo grabación alguna de la conversación pero poco después se elaboró una síntesis de la misma con base en los recuerdos de los participantes. Esta síntesis, que no contiene las preguntas hechas al Santo Padre, estaba destinada a la memoria personal de los mismos participantes y de ninguna manera a la publicación para la cual, de hecho, no se había pedido autorización alguna.”
“Es claro que sobre esta base no se pueden atribuir al Santo Padre, con seguridad, las expresiones singulares contenidas en el texto, sino solo su sentido general.”
“La presidencia de la CLAR lamenta profundamente lo que ha sucedido y la confusión que esto ha podido crear.”
“Hna. Mercedes Leticia Casas Sánchez, FSpS P. Gabriel Naranjo Salazar, CM Presidenta Secretario General”
TRANSLATION INTO ENGLISH courtesy of Marielena Montesino de Stuart, with translator’s comment inside brackets:
Bogotá, Colombia, June 11, 2013.
STATEMENT FROM CLAR’s PRESIDENCY /ADMINISTRATION
CLAR’s presidency / administration deeply laments the publication of a text that refers to the conversation held with Holy Father Francis during the encounter on June 6. [This] was a conversation that developed out of the questions posed to the Pope by those present.
On that occasion [June 6 meeting] no recording of the conversation was made whatsoever, but shortly thereafter a synthesis was worked on, based on the recollection of the participants [CLAR’s Board members]. This synthesis, which does not contain the questions posed to the Holy Father, was destined for the personal reminiscences of the participants, but not in any way for publication; in fact, no authorization had been requested.
It is clear that on this basis the particular expressions contained in the text cannot be attributed, with certainty, to the Holy Father, but only their general sense.
The presidency / administration deeply laments what has happened and the confusion that this may have created.
SIGNED: Sister Mercedes Leticia Casas Sánchez, FSpS P. Gabriel Naranjo Salazar, CM Presidenta Secretario General”
[TRANSLATOR’S NOTE: It is not clear who is the “CM Presidenta Secretario General” — which indicates it is a woman.]
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MY REMARKS REGARDING CLAR’s “APOLOGY”:
CLAR is not denying that Francis made the statements (in their “general sense”) as published by Reflexión y Liberación. I believe it is safe to assume that CLAR’s Board may be worried about not being “welcomed” back to the Vatican, for divulging the contents of CLAR’s “private” meeting with Francis– particularly when considering that CLAR has been on the Marxist pariah list.
But CLAR should not be worried. The modernist Vatican’s rapprochement and “dialogue” with Marxists is expected to continue, even though it is detrimental to the faithful– and to humanity.
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